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Staple of American folklore: How Do Politicians Survive Sex Scandals?  
von Proteus, 2009-07-01, 13:55  like dislike  Spam?  62.47.186....
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I'll read it later, but it's not that difficult in the U.S.  #442679
von mwk (US), 2009-07-01, 14:27  like dislike  Spam?  
Reason being that many folks can identify with that behavior. So they not only understand and forgive, but actually find it easier to re-elect someone like that because "he's just like one of us."
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Presidents precedents  #442689
von Catesse (AU), Last modified: 2009-07-01, 14:46  like dislike  Spam?  
Kennedy got away with it. So did Clinton - almost. So what's with a mere State Governor?
(So did F. D. Roosevelt, and who knows how many others?)
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Why the heck do you care for the marital matters of your politicians?  #442690
von Baccalaureus (DE), Last modified: 2009-07-01, 15:04  like dislike  Spam?  
Must have something to do with that Puritan heritage... One of our chancellors was very prone to prostitutes, another one was married four times, a third one has a woman who loves him enough as not to talk about his bits on the side, the other ones were past it, even when they were elected. The actual one wouldn't be touched even by her own husband. The former French president Mitterand alimented two families - and the public simply didn't care.
All those Puritans be reminded of Jesus' words: "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" (Mt 7:3).
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Sidesteps  #442707
von Catesse (AU), 2009-07-01, 15:36  like dislike  Spam?  
It was not I who put the stories in the newspapers and history books. I merely passed a comment about them.
But, for the record: if a man makes a vow of fidelty to his wife, and does not keep it, how can he be trusted to be honest with his business partners or loyal to his country? (And you can take that as high as you like.)
Reminds me of the film "Pan Wolodyowski", in which the hetman (Colonel) Michal Wolodyowski and his subordinate take two oaths. The first is to be faithful to their wives unto death. The second is to defend a city against the Turks unto death. (do smierci) They keep the first oath. As the second oath is taken out of their control when the civil authorities arrange to surrender the city, they go to the powder magazine and blow up themselves and a good part of the city.
A man who takes an oath voluntarily and breaks it voluntarily has compromised his honour, whoever and whatever he might be.
(The same applies to a woman.)
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Well - monogamy is but a legend, and a marital vow is a contract on mutual support, with the so-called faith being a gimmick.  #442709
von Baccalaureus (DE), Last modified: 2009-07-01, 16:09  like dislike  Spam?  
The sense of marital fidelty is merely economical: A woman whose husband has to care for other children than hers has to fear that her children won't be alimented well enough. Thus, she insists on the contract stipulating marital faith, on the other hand, the husband doesn't want to pay for raising another guy's children, so he agrees on this clausula.

All that hullaballoo about religion and trust is just hypocrisy. As long as both partners fulfill their duties on supporting each other and their children and as long as they act responsibly, I don't see why they should interdict each other physical pleasure, as in most cases this is what it's all about.

In your example, the soldiers by blowing up themselves, break their word on "to love and to honour, to have and to hold, for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and health", which is by far the more important part of the marital vow.
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Loyalty  #442717
von Catesse (AU), 2009-07-01, 16:08  like dislike  Spam?  
I doubt that Hilary Clinton or Eleanor Roosevelt or Jackie Kennedy or Princess Diana felt that way about it.
Even when partners agree on so-called 'open marriages', one will go further than the other is prepared to tolerate. The result is very often broken homes, traumatised children, financial deprivation, shame, grief, even suicide or murder.
One might get away with it for a time, even for a long time, but the risk is always there. But basically it is a matter of honour.
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Why is it that you only name women here?  #442721
von Baccalaureus (DE), Last modified: 2009-07-01, 16:16  like dislike  Spam?  
By the way, I don't believe in honour. Too many people died of honour, so it can't be a good thing.
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Women  #442730
von Catesse (AU), 2009-07-01, 16:34  like dislike  Spam?  
Because they are cases that come to mind. Probably for two reasons.
One is that it is men who are mostly in positions of power and attract attention to their actions.
Second is that women, if they do misbehave, are usually more discreet and less likely to be caught.
(Could you imagine Margaret Thatcher or Angela Merkel with a string of lovers???)
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No - but they don't have it in them, anyway.  #442731
von Baccalaureus (DE), Last modified: 2009-07-01, 16:44  like dislike  Spam?  
And I'm sure they are as discreet as men - men are just reasonable enough as not to boast about that they have been cheated on.
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Too many people are killed in traffic accidents, so motoring cannot be a good thing, Bacca? Is it not honourable to despise temporal death?  #442750
von Proteus, 2009-07-01, 17:02  like dislike  Spam?  62.47.186....

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