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von spacer33 (UN), 2016-11-10, 01:10  like dislike  Spam?  
Is this conversation correct?

A: For a while I thought Jeff and Dean are the same person. But they are not the same then.
B: Yes, they are. They are two different boys.
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Logic  #858082
von Catesse (AU), 2016-11-10, 01:32  like dislike  Spam?  
Logically woeful.
B. No, they aren't.
At least, I suppose that this is what you meant.
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Can you explain me more detailed? Thanks in advance  #858086
von spacer33 (UN), 2016-11-10, 01:42  like dislike  Spam?  
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von timfefe (AU/AT), 2016-11-10, 01:49  like dislike  Spam?  
 #858088
Agree with Catesse, there's a logical problem with B's reply in your EN original. Would this fit:

A: For a while I thought Jeff and Dean WERE the same person. But (now I have realised that) they are not.
B: Yes, you are right. They are two different boys.
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von spacer33 (UN), 2016-11-10, 01:51  like dislike  Spam?  
 #858089
A: For a while I thought Jeff and Dean are the same person. But they are not the same then.
B. No, they aren't. They are two different boys.

Would that be correct?
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No.  #858090
von Catesse (AU), 2016-11-10, 01:58  like dislike  Spam?  
No, I agree.
Your answer, "yes, they are" has no logical antecedent.
If you are replying to the statement "I thought J and D are the same person", then "yes, they are" would mean they are the same person, which contradicts the following statement: "They are two different boys."
If you are replying to "But they are not the same then", then "yes, they are (the same)"? reads as a contradiction of the statement, not agreement.
Does this help sufficiently?
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Thank you, I am just not sure what you mean with the first sentence "No, I agree." to what do you agree?  #858091
von spacer33 (UN), 2016-11-10, 02:03  like dislike  Spam?  
And is this version correct?
A: For a while I thought Jeff and Dean are the same person. But they are not the same then.
B: No, they aren't. They are two different boys.
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Not  #858095
von Catesse (AU), 2016-11-10, 02:25  like dislike  Spam?  
You would be agreeing with the negative statement "they are not the same".
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von spacer33 (UN), 2016-11-10, 02:28  like dislike  Spam?  
 #858096
So if the two boys are the same:
A: For a while I thought Jeff and Dean are the same person. But they are not the same then.
B: Yes they are. They are the same person.

And if the two boys are different:
A: For a while I thought Jeff and Dean are the same person. But they are not the same then.
B: No, they aren't. They are two different boys.

Are both versions correct?
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von spacer33 (UN), 2016-11-10, 02:33  like dislike  Spam?  
 #858097
And what did you mean with "No, I agree" 4; 01:58?
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No, I agree.   #858098
von Catesse (AU), 2016-11-10, 04:28  like dislike  Spam?  
That would be OK. I think we have got a bit muddled here between quotes and comments. The problem lies in the response to the two original statements, one positive, one negative.
Your entry, 02,28. Your second entry is correct and clear. You are contradicting the first statement and agreeing with the second negative statement.
The first entry is correct. (Yes, they are.) But you might need to think for a moment to be sure what was meant. You are contradicting the second negative statement.
I hope that I have this right. I don't know whether your hear is spinning over this. Mine is.
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von spacer33 (UN), 2016-11-10, 04:38  like dislike  Spam?  
 #858100
Thank you, but again your headline is confusing me. What do you mean with your headline "No, I agree"?
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von spacer33 (UN), 2016-11-10, 04:41  like dislike  Spam?  
 #858101
I mean is this an answer to my question if both versions are corect?
Like: Are both versions correct? - No, I agree?
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I give up.  #858103
von Catesse (AU), 2016-11-10, 04:55  like dislike  Spam?  
I can't explain it any more clearly. Try somebody else.
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von spacer33 (UN), 2016-11-10, 04:57  like dislike  Spam?  
 #858104
Please, I mean I understand your comments, but I don't know to what "No, I agree" refers to in the headline 4;04:28
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von spacer33 (UN), 2016-11-10, 05:00  like dislike  Spam?  
 #858105
Or 4;01:51 I asked: Would that be correct and 4;01:58 your answer was: No, I agree.
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04.28  #858110
von Catesse (AU), 2016-11-10, 05:33  like dislike  Spam?  
This was not meant to be a comment of mine, but a correction of what you had written.
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von spacer33 (UN), 2016-11-10, 05:54  like dislike  Spam?  
 #858111
So in fact you wanted to tell me that "B: No, they aren't. They are two different boys." is wrong and  "B No, I agree. They are two different boys" is correct?
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Finale  #858160
von Catesse (AU), 2016-11-10, 13:08  like dislike  Spam?  
I give up.
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von questioner, 2016-11-10, 14:56  like dislike  Spam?  46.80.38....
 #858182
Anyone else? :/
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von spacer33 (UN), 2016-11-10, 15:22  like dislike  Spam?  
 #858187
Cause I wrote:
"
A: For a while I thought Jeff and Dean are the same person. But they are not the same then.
B. No, they aren't. They are two different boys.

Would that be correct? "

Your answer: No, I agree.

Now you tell me that this was not meant to be a comment of yours, but a correction of what I had written. What does this mean now?
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spacer33  #858191
von Squirrel-quattro (UN), 2016-11-10, 15:40  like dislike  Spam?  
I suppose, Catesse meant it as a heading at 04:28, i.e. to indicate that she is referring to it.
As to 01:58: I suppose she meant that your version wasn't right, referring to your question "Would that be correct?" (> "No,") and that she agrees with timfefe (> "I agree.")

4;Catesse: Are my assumptions right, or did you mean something else?
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von spacer33 (UN), 2016-11-10, 16:06  like dislike  Spam?  
 #858196
But when 4;01:58 it was meant as an answer to my question "Would that be correct?" (> "No,") then this version is wrong? As this was the conversation I asked for after correcting my first version:

A: For a while I thought Jeff and Dean are the same person. But they are not the same then.
B. No, they aren't. They are two different boys.
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von spacer33 (UN), 2016-11-10, 23:14  like dislike  Spam?  
 #858231
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von spacer33 (UN), 2016-11-10, 23:16  like dislike  Spam?  
 #858232
I only want to know if 4;01:58 Catesse says this example is wrong:

A: For a while I thought Jeff and Dean are the same person. But they are not the same then.
B. No, they aren't. They are two different boys.
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Squirrel  #858238
von Catesse (AU), 2016-11-11, 01:16  like dislike  Spam?  
I no longer know or care what spacer thinks I mean. Either he is incredibly obtuse, or he is having fun at our expense to see how long our patience holds out. Well, I have reached my limit. If he cannot understand what has been written, I see no other way of explaining it. If he is being deliberately irritating, I quit anyway.
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von spacer33 (UN), Last modified: 2016-11-11, 01:31  like dislike  Spam?  
 #858240
Sorry, I think I'm neither having fun, nor I'm really obtuse. Maybe my English is not very good, yeah.
Can't we try one more time and reset to zero, cause I really want to know now?
So you told me this version is wrong:
A: For a while I thought Jeff and Dean are the same person. But they are not the same then.
B: Yes, they are. They are two different boys.

Is this version correct?:
A: For a while I thought Jeff and Dean are the same person. But they are not the same then.
B: No, they aren't. They are two different boys.
Antwort: 
Yes.  #858243
von Catesse (AU), 2016-11-11, 02:17  like dislike  Spam?  
The second version is correct.
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von spacer33 (UN), Last modified: 2016-11-11, 02:29  like dislike  Spam?  
 #858245
Thank you so much, now hopefully the final step towards full understanding. I asked if this "correct version" was correct 4;01:51 and you answered 4;01:58 "No, I agree". What was the meaning of that? I hope we can solve it now. Would be very friendly if you can use easy language, I am German.

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