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von simonchik (UN), 2016-11-16, 11:51  like dislike  Spam?  
this expression appears in an industrial architecture text and obviously has nothing to do with being very tired or any synonym of that state. previously I have used 'ready made', but while products can be ready made, the words do not seem applicable to work or any other process. any help or guidance will be greatly appreciated!
done and dusted?  #858554
von Ivy (DE), 2016-11-16, 11:59  like dislike  Spam?  
Could this fit your context? done and dusted
done in  #858556
von abra, 2016-11-16, 12:51  like dislike  Spam?  67.80.40....
*done in
exhausted. (*Typically: be ~; get ~.) I'm really done in! I think I'll go to bed. After all that lifting, Gerald was done in and breathing hard.
See also: done
von MichaelK (US), 2016-11-16, 13:29  like dislike  Spam?  
In legal, contract and advertising language, it stands for "all-inclusive," meaning that there are no extra items to buy and no additional work is needed.
Bad habit in German  #858565
von Proteus-, 2016-11-16, 13:30  like dislike  Spam?  178.191.24...
Presumably what crossed the author's mind was stuff like Fertigteilbauweise etc. The switch to fix und fertig stems from a quest for originality through ambiguity.

As such, fix und fertig may jolly well mean ready made. Not so as an idiom. Nevertheless the author has plumped for introducing fix und fertig in its unidiomatic, basic sense.

Startling the reader may enliven an otherwise sleep-inducing text. Not the kind of stratagem good writers would resort to: their lines are never soporific!
fix und fertige arbeit  #858566
von simonchik (UN), 2016-11-16, 13:36  like dislike  Spam?  
Thanks MichaelK and Proteus for your helpful (and correct register) comments. Proteus: who taught you to say jolly well? Nobody has said that for about 60 years!
jolly well outdated? Depends on who you keep company with ...  #858569
von Proteus-, 2016-11-16, 14:14  like dislike  Spam?  178.191.24...
To cheers in the Commons, the Prime Minister tells Fifa: ‘Before they start telling us what to do, they jolly well ought to sort their own house out’

   Rob Merrick Deputy Political Editor
   Wednesday 2 November 2016
fix und fertige arbeit  #858571
von simonchik (UN), 2016-11-16, 14:24  like dislike  Spam?  
1. Nobody in their right mind would regard Theresa May (or any other Conservative politician) as an appropriate English language style/grammar/usage guru (or for that matter want to keep company with them) 2. jolly well and very well are by no means interchangeable: you could not use very well instead of jolly well in the Independent quote, and 'may jolly well mean' (as you had it) is unidiomatic and in fact bad English: should be may (very) well mean, i.e. may quite possibly mean
von sunfunlili (DE/GB), 2016-11-16, 14:34  like dislike  Spam?  
4;simonchik - is 60 the benchmark ??  ;-))
#858555  /   #858566
von uffiee, 2016-11-16, 14:46  like dislike  Spam?  80.144.102...
1. to be over sixty 2. for over sixty years (which is even worse ;-)

4; simonchik, a lot of people on the forum here are quite old :-)

BTW made me remember "jolly hockey sticks"..... probably watching too much QI.....
vermutlich: realis/zed project  #858580
von anon., 2016-11-16, 15:01  like dislike  Spam?  77.10.73....
simonchik, dearest, Feeling strongly about something does not improve your reasoning and arguing skills    #858581
von Proteus-, 2016-11-16, 15:05  like dislike  Spam?  178.191.24...
(1) My use of jolly well results from growing up in a multilingual family, partly going to school in the UK and from having lived and worked in London for about fifty years. Why on earth should the current PM be a guru of mine?
(2) Quote:
"I—I—I say, you fellows," stammered Bunter. "I—I fancy I've got it right, whatever Smithy says. S.P. jolly well means starting price, I know that. If W.II. doesn't mean the two o'clock, it means the second race, see—it might mean that just as well.

Were you absent when adverbs were taught in school? First and foremost they are just that, modifiers of verbs, hence their name.
von timfefe (AU/AT), 2016-11-16, 15:08  like dislike  Spam?  
Agree with simonchik. Usage of "jolly well" in Proteus' 13:30 post sounds awkward. It does not fit the context in which it was said.
14:46 Ever read The Neophiliacs?  #858584
von Proteus-, 2016-11-16, 15:13  like dislike  Spam?  178.191.24...
The attractions of YOUTH pale enormously when it is just another word for daftness.
15:08 What are you talking about? It does not fit the context in which it was said. Did I refer to anybody saying anything???  #858585
von Proteus-, 2016-11-16, 15:16  like dislike  Spam?  178.191.24...
fix und fertige arbeit  #858586
von simonchik (UN), 2016-11-16, 15:20  like dislike  Spam?  
Proteus (let's cut out the sarcastic dearest) if you are seriously saying that jolly well and very well are synonymous and interchangeable then you need some English lessons. Try putting very well into Bunter's or May's sentence and see what you get. And no, I wasn't absent, I know a lot about adverbs, more it seems than you do
PS: What are your credentials, timfefe? What schools did you go to?  #858587
von Proteus-, 2016-11-16, 15:20  like dislike  Spam?  178.191.24...
15:20 — So what are your credentials, simonchik? Are you an author, a writer, a journalist, an editor???  #858589
von Proteus-, 2016-11-16, 15:25  like dislike  Spam?  178.191.24...
15:20 — Subtly shifting the argument. First you claimed jolly well was outdated. Now you are feeling it is out of place. Consistency?  #858590
von Proteus-, 2016-11-16, 15:32  like dislike  Spam?  178.191.24...
von MichaelK (US), 2016-11-16, 15:43  like dislike  Spam?  
Time to load up my West Bend Stir Crazy 6-Quart Electric Popcorn Popper ®
For me salty, please! ;)  #858594
von Gobber (DE/IO), 2016-11-16, 15:53  like dislike  Spam?  
von MichaelK (US), Last modified: 2016-11-16, 16:08  like dislike  Spam?  
Didn't know there was any other way than health-wreckingly salty!  :-)
von timfefe (AU/AT), Last modified: 2019-04-28, 22:06  like dislike  Spam?  
von uffiee, 2016-11-16, 17:51  like dislike  Spam?  80.144.102...
oh no, a good show needs sweet popcorn!
von uffiee, 2016-11-16, 17:54  like dislike  Spam?  80.144.102...
4; simon, just for your information - this is an ongoing argument, sorry discussion. Proteus- admitted that his/her native language is neither English nor German, yet he/she demands to be right in all cases - in both languages - and won't accept native speakers' polite corrections. Hey ho.
timfefe, dearest: What are your credentials? Given your lack of education I do not think I can take any advice from you  #858614
von Proteus-, 2016-11-16, 17:59  like dislike  Spam?  178.191.24...
Why don't you start by teaching yourself better English? Australia is not the cradle of English, you know.

Plenty of books and courses for 'native speakers'. What about trying to lose your Australian accent?
Sorry, uffie, you must make another effort to have the last word  #858615
von Proteus-, 2016-11-16, 18:01  like dislike  Spam?  178.191.24...
von uffiee, 2016-11-16, 18:27  like dislike  Spam?  80.144.102...
I don't have your stamina Proteus, true. So, go on...
von uffiee, 2016-11-16, 18:30  like dislike  Spam?  80.144.102...
therefore I shall conclude with a quote "Life is too short to have anything but delusional notions about yourself". Gene Simmons
Proteus won't accept the wisdom of Mr. Simmons, I guess ;-)  #858627
von parker11 (DE), 2016-11-16, 20:56  like dislike  Spam?  
Uffiee  you surprise me! quoting Gene Simmons of Kiss :)  #858631
von Gobber (DE/IO), 2016-11-16, 21:19  like dislike  Spam?  
Hast du meine Mail bekommen? Gib mal Laut! Und btw: Sweet popcorn geht gar nicht!!!!
von uffiee, 2016-11-16, 22:33  like dislike  Spam?  80.144.102...
sorry Gobber, ich hab sooo einen dicken Kopf mit meiner Erkältung. Es reicht grad mal zu Ein-Satz-Kommentaren. Hab's nicht vergessen und bin auch auf dem Weg der Besserung!
Siehste,  das kommt davon wenn man süsses Popcorn isst  und Kiss hört!   #858641
von Gobber (DE/IO), 2016-11-16, 23:28  like dislike  Spam?  
Schwächt das Immunsystem!  Nein,  ich hab nur gefragt,  weil das Internet ab und an Mails verschluckt... Gute Besserung!
von uffiee, 2016-11-17, 09:27  like dislike  Spam?  80.144.102...
ha... nee.... und danke :-)
Nur aus Neugierde:  #858657
von migmag (DE), 2016-11-17, 09:40  like dislike  Spam?  
trifft folgende Beschreibung in etwa die Bedeutung von "jolly well":
von uffiee, 2016-11-17, 10:36  like dislike  Spam?  80.144.102...
yes, that's how I would use it but it is very old-fashioned and will give you a snigger if you do use it
Yeah, I like sniggers; like salty popcorn ;)  #858663
von migmag (DE), 2016-11-17, 11:00  like dislike  Spam?  
15:20 — simonchik-English and timfefe-English lessons for these English-speaking authors?  #858687
von Proteus-, 2016-11-17, 16:17  like dislike  Spam?  193.83.2....
von uffiee, 2016-11-17, 17:22  like dislike  Spam?  80.144.102...
well, they're only native speakers after all.... they haven't derived all their wisdom from books...
Who is they? s. and t. or the English-speaking authors? Are you struggling to understand the context?  #858709
von Proteus-, 2016-11-17, 19:16  like dislike  Spam?  62.46.130...
Ich beziehe mich auf ein Zitat eines unserer Ex-Außenminister:  #858712
von parker11 (DE), 2016-11-17, 19:23  like dislike  Spam?  
Mit Verlaub - Proteus - Sie sind ein selbstgefälliges Arschloch.
von uffiee, 2016-11-18, 18:03  like dislike  Spam?  80.144.102...
I didn't think I was but at least I'm not struggling with my English grammar

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