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New subject tag(s)?  
von cameron-coombe (NZ), 2018-11-04, 10:22  like dislike  Spam?  
Hey all, recently I have been working through Duden's Hafen- entries. I realised we have a big gap in our subjects when it comes to police/security. None of admin/military/tech are completely helpful here:
dict.cc: *polizei*
dict.cc: *sicherheit*
dict.cc: *überwachung*

Does anyone else sense a need for some new subj tags or is it just me? We have some nice specificities in some areas. Consider that we have FireRescue and library science, even a tag for watches. --I know though, this suggestion should be considered on its own merits. I'd be interested in hearing what others have to say.

Cheers

Cameron
Antwort: 
von Paul (AT), 2018-11-04, 11:42  like dislike  Spam?  
 #899528
I would prefer having even less subjects, getting rid of subjects for watches and other stuff that sneaked in in the early days of dict.cc. A shorter list would be easier to select from.
Chat:     
Subdivision of the Topic List  #899533
von aphoenix (US), Last modified: 2018-11-04, 16:17  like dislike  Spam?  
If it were feasible to split the topics into areas and subareas, we could maintain useful information and simplify selection.  One possible implementation strategy would be to use pulldown menus for subareas.  I suggest the following structure as a starting point for discussion:
Kürzel   Beschreibung Einträge Benutzer
* Agriculture & Food
agr. Agriculture, Aquaculture / Agrarwirtschaft, Land- und Gewässerbewirtschaftung 5910 249
brew Brewing / Brauwesen 424 147
FoodInd. Foodstuffs Industry / Lebensmittelindustrie 2520 280
for. Forestry / Forstwissenschaft, Forstwirtschaft 1191 146
gastr. Gastronomy, Cooking / Gastronomie, Kochen 16288 592
hort. Horticulture / Gartenbau 2152 222
oenol. Oenology / Önologie, Lehre vom Wein 1353 117
* Art/Kunst
archi. Architecture / Architektur 5497 425
art Art / Kunst 4220 1078
comics Comics and Animated Cartoons / Comics und Zeichentrickfilme 383 316
dance Dance / Tanz 826 350
film Film / Film 8839 1189
lit. Literature / Literatur 8990 1090
mus. Music / Musik 10666 1568
photo. Photography / Fotografie 2210 745
theatre Theatre / Theater 2560 452
* Biology
biol. Biology / Biologie 13297 588
bot. Botany, Plants / Botanik, Pflanzen 54222 365
entom. Entomology / Entomologie, Insektenkunde 12531 94
fish Ichthyology, fish, fishing / Fischkunde, Fischen, Angelsport 9692 98
mycol. Mycology / Mykologie, Pilze 4264 96
orn. Ornithology / Ornithologie, Vogelkunde 28257 119
VetMed. Veterinary Medicine / Veterinärmedizin 2670 149
zool. Zoology, Animals / Zoologie, Tierkunde 31712 599
* Earth Sciences & Technologies
ecol. Ecology, Environment / Ökologie, Umwelt 4373 642
geol. Geology / Geologie 6133 257
hydro. Hydrology & Hydrogeology / Hydrologie & Hydrogeologie 1748 96
meteo. Meteorology / Meteorologie 3152 199
mineral. Mineralogy / Mineralogie 6192 132
mining Mining & Drilling / Bergbau & Bohrtechnik 1886 97
* Engineering
engin. Engineering / Ingenieurwissenschaften 2507 832
astronau Astronautics / Astronautik, Raumfahrt 419 283
biotech. Biotechnology / Biotechnologie 391 246
comp. Computer Sciences / Informatik, IT 10583 1437
constr. Construction / Bauwesen 6758 299
electr. Electrical Engin., Electronics / Elektrotechnik, Elektronik 12320 617
Internet Internet / Internet 1458 1292
nucl. Nuclear Engineering / Nukleartechnik 586 152
telecom. Telecommunications / Telekommunikation 2233 480
tools Tools / Werkzeuge 3958 422
* Geography
geogr. Geography / Geografie 11254 746
travel Travel Industry / Touristik 1865 480
TrVocab. Travellers vocabulary / Reise-Wortschatz 1280 621
* Government & Politics
admin. (Public) Administration / (Öffentliche) Verwaltung 2371 372
EU European Union / Europäische Union 1410 594
FireResc Firefighting & Rescue / Feuerwehr & Rettungsdienst 1072 113
law Law / Jura, Rechtswesen 14700 530
pol. Politics / Politik 11057 857
urban Urban Planning / Urbanistik, Stadtplanung 788 198
* History
hist. History / Historische Begriffe, Geschichte 14850 1167
bibl. Biblical / Biblisch 1607 336
myth. Mythology / Mythologie 1629 457
* Industry / Consumer /Commerce
ind. Industry / Industrie 3354 442
cloth. Clothing, Fashion / Bekleidung, Mode 8142 406
cosmet. Cosmetics & Body Care / Kosmetik und Körperpflege 1290 238
furn. Furniture / Möbel 1630 207
jobs Jobs, Employment Market / Berufe, Arbeitsmarkt 12494 521
textil. Textiles, Textile Industry / Textilien, Textilindustrie 2148 141
RealEst. Real Estate / Immobilien 1373 215
* Journalism & Publishing
journ. Journalism / Journalismus 1567 390
libr. Library Science / Bibliothekswissenschaft 458 166
publ. Publishing / Verlagswesen 1784 236
print Print, Typography, Layout / Druck, Typografie, Layout 1750 249
RadioTV Radio and Television / Radio und Fernsehen 3716 501
* Language
F Fiction: Names and Titles in Literature, Film, TV, Arts / Fiktion: Namen und Titel in Literatur, Film, TV, Kunst 13221 734
ling. Linguistics / Linguistik, Sprachwissenschaft 6152 1235
name Names of Persons / Namenkunde (nur Personennamen) 380 184
neol. Neologisms / Neologismen (Wortneubildungen) 362 197
phonet. Phonetics / Phonetik 409 353
proverb Proverb / Sprichwort 1112 556
quote Quotation / Zitat 652 433
* Management / Finance
acc. Accounting / Buchführung 1477 371
advert. Advertising Language / Werbesprache 618 420
comm. Commerce / Handel 8354 506
econ. Economy / Wirtschaft, Ökonomie 9612 826
fin. Finance / Finanzwesen 8442 529
insur. Insurance / Versicherungswesen 1832 143
market. Marketing / Marketing, Vertrieb und Handelswesen 1049 500
QM Quality Management / Qualitätsmanagement 1931 241
stocks Stock Exchange / Börsenwesen 1611 222
* Medicine
dent. Dental Medicine / Zahnmedizin 4878 117
drugs Drugs / Drogen 932 231
anat. Human Anatomy / Humananatomie 8859 449
med. Medicine / Medizin 47991 729
MedTech. Medical Engineering & Imaging / Medizintechnik 8629 221
pharm. Pharmacy / Pharmazie 5204 253
psych. Psychology / Psychologie 6080 813
* Military
mil. Military / Militärwesen 9525 359
weapons Weapons / Waffen 2506 344
* Science
audio Audiology / Audiologie, Akustik 3344 175
astron. Astronomy / Astronomie 2355 530
biochem. Biochemistry / Biochemie 5694 280
chem. Chemistry / Chemie 11362 475
material Materials Science / Materialwissenschaft, Werkstoffkunde 2356 245
math. Mathematics / Mathematik 8074 704
optics Optics / Optik 1527 144
phys. Physics / Physik 7850 706
stat. Statistics / Statistik 1239 291
* Social Studies
archaeo. Archaeology / Archäologie 2108 325
educ. Education / Ausbildung 7143 1090
ethn. Ethnology / Ethnologie 1980 245
philos. Philosophy / Philosophie 3382 830
relig. Religion / Religion 13557 609
sociol. Sociology / Soziologie 2957 484
* Sports
sports Sports / Sport 11331 874
bike Bicycle / Fahrrad 854 445
climbing Climbing, Mountaineering / Bergsteigerei 426 226
equest. Equestrianism, Horses / Reitsport, Pferde 1251 124
games Games / Spiele 1899 787
hunting Hunting / Jagd 912 114
toys Toys / Spielzeug 548 193
* Transportation
automot. Automotive Engineering / Automobil- und Fahrzeugtechnik 5085 444
aviat. Aviation / Luftfahrt, Flugwesen 4095 419
naut. Nautical Science / Nautik, Schifffahrtskunde 5440 193
rail Rail / Eisenbahn 2873 192
traffic Traffic / Verkehrswesen 2168 277
transp. Transportation (Land Transport) / Transportwesen (Landtransport) 3041 290

No obvious place to put these:
curr. Currencies / Währungen 857 228
unit Units, Measures, Weights / Einheiten, Maße, Gewichte 915 373

Limited usefulness because too imprecise (Remove?)
acad. Academic Disciplines / Wissenschaft 4226 1401
spec. Specialized Term / Fachsprachlicher Ausdruck 5087 317
tech. Technology / Technik 29811 1095

Limited usefulness because too specialized (Remove?)
esot. Esotericism / Esoterik 303 214
armour Historic Armour / Rüstungen, historische Schutzbekleidung 215 113
herald. Heraldry / Heraldik 229 93
philat. Philately / Philatelie, Briefmarkenkunde 213 55
rhet. Rhetoric / Rhetorik 161 363
UWH UNESCO World Heritage / UNESCO-Welterbe 84 239
watches Watches, Clocks / Uhren 444 180

Already removed: idiom Idiom / Idiom, Redewendung 13534 717
Chat:     
A few comments on suggested topic structure  #899535
von aphoenix (US), 2018-11-04, 16:20  like dislike  Spam?  
* I understand that there will be some disagreement regarding topics and subtopic assignments.  I am open to suggestions.
* A very few subtopics, such as "biotechnology" and "biochemistry" should appear under multiple headings, in these cases "biology" and  "medicine".
* I've given this a lot of thought and there is only one missing (sub)topic I think is crucial:  manufacturing.  Especially given the strength of Germany in this field, there are a lot of terms that are specific to manufacturing.  Manufacturing would be a subtopic of engineering.  Of course others may have important suggestions as well.
* Technology is imprecise and time-dependent.  Some use it for engineering topics, in which case "engineering" is the appropriate tag.  Others use it for consumer appliances and electronics.  Remember that at one time, toasters, light bulbs, etc. qualified as "technology" in this sense.  
* Academic Categories is not useful because every academic category corresponds to some other category.
* Specialized Term is not useful because what is a specialized term to some is a basic term to others.
Antwort: 
A systematic overview of the SUBJECTS  #899538
von tomaquinaten (US/DE), Last modified: 2018-11-04, 20:48  like dislike  Spam?  
I too have been reflecting on this matter for a long time: helpful as the alphabetical and cloud presentations of the SUBJECTS are, they do not bring to expression the relationships of subordination and correlation that exist between them. Thus, some years ago I attempßted to draw up a systematic presentation for a revised version of my Handbook, which, of course, has not yet been published here. The presentation is too long and too structured to be reproduced here, but I have uploaded it into Dropbox, where anyone can call it up with the following link:  https://www.dropbox.com/s/36uj6j39q3z7npj/Dict.cc-SUBJECTS%20%7C%20....
PS. I am not sure, when I composed this Systematic; thus it is possible that it contains SUBJECTS which in the meantime have been recently added, recently abolished or merged into others.
Antwort: 
Wow!  #899664
von hausamsee (DE), Last modified: 2019-07-09, 16:02  like dislike  Spam?  
Respekt! Ich bin beeindruckt. - Hier jetzt aber nur ein paar allgemeine Anmerkungen. Es ist eine bewunderungswürdige Leistung von tomaquinaten. Die Systematik der Klassifikation als solche habe ich noch nicht vollständig erfasst - etwa in dem Sinne, dass ich sie für mich rekonstruiert hätte und aus dem Stand reproduzieren könnte. Ich glaube aber, wenn man sich mit dem Klassifikationssystem erst einmal etwas beschäftigt hat, könnte seine Anwendung sich als viel einfacher herausstellen, als es zuerst den Anschein haben könnte.

Ich bin einigen Querverweisen nachgegangen (in beide Richtungen) und habe mir an jedem Ort des Vorkommens die entsprechenden Foramtierungen (italic; capital, curly brackets; "/..." usf.) angesehen und mit den Erklärungen in den Vorbemerkungen des tomaquinaten verglichen. Auf diese Weise von topic zu topic, von name zu name und group heading zu group heading springed, konnte ich durchgehend die Übereinstimmung von Format/Erklärung und Ort feststellen.

Diese noch oberflächliche, unvollständige und eher spielerische "Prüfung" des Systems von tomaquinaten durch meine Wenigkeit hat mir den Eindruck vermittelt, dass es seinen eigenen und den in anderen threads genannten Kriterien (Pragmatik!) gerecht wird. Und: es bereitet mir einfach Freude, wenn sich so etwas erfolgreich durchführen lässt - nichts ist schöner als ein "kontrolliertes Vokabular"! ;-)
Antwort: 
FOLLOW-UP:  A few remarks in the light of hausamsee's posting (Thanks for the kudos)  #899676
von tomaquinaten (US/DE), Last modified: 2018-11-07, 11:07  like dislike  Spam?  
For some 60 years now, as a philosopher/theologian, as a documentalist, and as a librarian, I have been in the business of drawing up classifications. From this practice, emerged the principles upon which my SUBJECT-systematic is based. In this posting, I would like to set forth these principles, since understanding them will help readers to better appreciate, why my systematic takes the form it does:

1.  Classifications must be constructed pragmatically to achieve their specific purpose
         The need for classification within a set of data most often emerges only with time, as the body of data
         gradually grows to a critical mass that  can no longer be be grasped intuitively or kept present to mind.  
         As a consequence, the data within the set will already have been shaped by prior decisions that
         cannot be reversed. Thus prior decisions have shaped how the individual Dict.cc SUBJECTS have
         been formulated and defined. Any attempt to systematize them now will be bound by these prior
         decisions.
             One important consequence is the need to introduce pseudo-classes that do not correspond to
         any existing SUBJECT-classes, but which are needed to subsume existing classes under a common
         denominator.or to create cross-references to classes found elsewhere in the systematic.

2.  Hierarchies should be kept as flat as possible
         Multilevel hierarchies quickly become a dense thicket verging on the impenetrable. Normally a
         pragmatic classibication should not use more than three to four levels of subordination. Beyond that,
         subordinating individual items to clearly defined subclasses usually becomes difficult if not impossible,
        Thus  it is prefereable at this point, simply to create alphabetical listings of the subordinate items,
         including within these listings cross-references from topics not explicitly listed to the class under
         which they can be found.

3.  In constructing a classification, it is important to distinguish between "Fachgebiete" (academic
     disciplines dealing with a topic) and "Sachgebiete" (objects in a real or fictitious world independent of
     how they may be considered in any academic discipline).
        Spontaneously, we tend to sort out objects/topics under the academic disciplines,i.e. the "-ologies",
        under which we consider them. But this is often problematical, because the same objects/topics can
        be treated under differennt aspects by several academic disciplines. Thus, although, for pragmatic
        reasons, it is useful to locate the individual objects/topics belonging to a given set as subclasses to
        the discipline which most frequently or most specifically treats of them, it is important to express such
        correlations by introducing "See ..." and "See also    " cross-references, which lead the user to other
        places in the systematic.where a given topic may be treated.

4.  A transparent, graphic presentation of the classification is of utmost value.
       The classification must be printed in a way that makes its structure intuitively apparent. More
       important than any system of notation is the graphic presentation using blank lines and indentation to
       indicate  structure. Capitalization, colors, and brackets of various types are useful to distinguish
       different types of entries. Cross-references in the "see ..." and "See also ..." should be appropriately
       set off from normal entries.
Antwort: 
von cameron-coombe (NZ), 2018-11-10, 02:28  like dislike  Spam?  
 #899817
So it turns out this is a much bigger problem than I had anticipated. Good to see that some deep thought is going into it though. Because of the extent of the issue, I'll leave this to the other more experienced contributors

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