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a huge pile vs an huge pile  
von AliHeret (DE), Last modified: 2021-05-13, 09:40  like dislike  Spam?  
Bitte um Mitteilung, welche Variante richtig ist. Würde meinen, die erste, dann wäre aber die Regel mit den stummen Konsonanten (Honour; huge wird aber ähnlich use gesprochen...) außer Kraft. Bei Linguee gibt es erstaunlich viele Beispiele für "an huge".
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von Windfall (GB), Last modified: 2021-05-13, 10:17  like +1 dislike  Spam?  
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I would never use an before huge (I intentionally tend towards modern usage in my English), but some older people might, and people who drop all their h's probably do.
Some people follow rules on using an before some +h+ sounds, which might lead to using an before huge. Here's an explanation of the rules they follow: https://www.writing-skills.com/hit-or-myth-use-an-before-h-words
I advise you not to do it, as the rules are confusing and not using an an before a pronounced +h+ is significantly more common than doing it nowadays. Perhaps a lot of older people who follow older rules produced those translations, or perhaps they were produced by non-native speakers who were taught to use that rule for whatever reason. I'm surprised to see so many hits in Linguee for it.
Words where the +h+ is not pronounced. e.g. honour/honor, honesty or, in US English only, herbs, are always used with an because they start with a vowel sound.
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von AliHeret (DE), Last modified: 2021-05-13, 10:22  like dislike  Spam?  
 #928574
Danke. Englisch ist halt genauso kompliziert wie Deutsch. "Herbs" starts with a vowel sound? Ich höre da immer am Anfang ein "h" wie in "home".
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von sunfunlili (DE/GB), 2021-05-13, 10:55  like dislike  Spam?  
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Windfall -  " ... in US English only, herbs, are always used with an because they start with a vowel sound ... "
OED
"herb, n.
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Pronunciation: Brit. Hear pronunciation/həːb/, U.S. Hear pronunciation/(h)ərb/
Forms:  Middle English–1500s erbe, Middle English–1600s herbe, Middle English eerbe, 1500s earbe... (Show More)
Frequency (in current use):  Show frequency band information
Etymology: In Middle English usually erbe, < Old French erbe (11th cent. in Littré), modern French herbe (= Italian erba, Spanish yerba, Portuguese herva) < Latin herba grass, green crops, herbage, herb. In Old French and Middle English occasionally spelt with h after Latin; regularly so since c1475, but the h was mute until the 19th cent., and is still so treated by many: see H (the letter).(Show Less) "
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von Windfall (GB), Last modified: 2021-05-13, 11:19  like dislike  Spam?  
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4;sfl, that's exactly what I intended to convey. US English drops the h sound in herb and therefore uses it with an. British English keeps the h sound in herb and therefore uses it with a.
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von AliHeret (DE), Last modified: 2021-05-13, 11:24  like dislike  Spam?  
 #928579
Vielleicht habe ich ja Tomaten auf den Ohren, aber ich kann keinen Unterschied zwischen den BE und US dict.cc-Aussprachen feststellen :-) Außerdem quält mich die neue Frage, was bei einem Pluraletantum wie Kräuter "an herbs" sein soll. Vielleicht meinte Windfall ja "an herb"?
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von Windfall (GB), 2021-05-13, 11:18  like dislike  Spam?  
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4;AliHeret, I find the American pronunciation a little hard to hear in the dict. Do the crystal clear pronunciations here help: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/herb
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von AliHeret (DE), Last modified: 2021-05-13, 11:30  like dislike  Spam?  
 #928581
Das klingt viel besser. Aber schau mal in Deiner Quelle hier:
herb | AMERICAN DICTIONARY
herb
noun [ C ]
US  /ɜrb, hɜrb/
Da gibt es beide Aussprachevarianten auch in den USA.
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von Windfall (GB), 2021-05-13, 11:34  like dislike  Spam?  
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US speakers use an hotel etc. even less than British speakers do, so I expect the speakers who don't prononunce the h will say an herb and ones who do will say a herb. I believe dropping the h in herb to be more common than keeping it in US English, so unless a US speaker tells you otherwise, I would write an herb in US English but a herb in British English.
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von AliHeret (DE), 2021-05-13, 11:36  like dislike  Spam?  
 #928583
Danke für Eure Hilfe. War sehr aufschlussreich.
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von Windfall (GB), Last modified: 2021-05-13, 14:12  like dislike  Spam?  
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Actually, I've just realised, Brits who drop their h's still stay a 'uge, because 'uge starts with a y sound, and y counts as a consonant in this context.
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von callixte (US), Last modified: 2021-05-14, 04:44  like dislike  Spam?  
 #928588
While it's true that both variants exist here in the United States, the one without the "h" in herb predominates (by far).
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von Proteus-, 2021-05-13, 20:03  like dislike  Spam?  193.81.116...
an
Usage

Is it ’ a historical document’ or ’ an historical document’? ‘ A hotel’ or ‘ an hotel’? There is still some divergence of opinion over which form of the indefinite article should be used before words that begin with h- and have an unstressed first syllable. In the 18th and 19th centuries people often did not pronounce the initial h for these words, and so an was commonly used. Today the h is pronounced, and so it is logical to use a rather than an. However, the indefinite article an is still encountered before the h in both British and American English, particularly with historical: in the Oxford English Corpus around a quarter of examples of historical are preceded with an rather than a    https://www.lexico.com/definition/an
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More LINX  #928590
von Proteus-, 2021-05-13, 20:15  like dislike  Spam?  193.81.116...
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/a-an-and-t...

a 1 (used before a consonant or consonant sound, eg a boy, a one) or (used before a vowel or vowel sound, eg an egg, an hour) an indefinite article    https://chambers.co.uk/search/?query=&title=21st

an in British English / (æn , unstressed ən )
determiner
a form of the indefinite article used before an initial vowel sound
an old car, an elf, an honour
▶ USAGE An was formerly often used before words that begin with h and are unstressed on the first syllable: an hotel; an historic meeting. Sometimes the initial h was not pronounced. This usage is now becoming obsolete
Old English ān one    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/an
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Yet more LINX  #928591
von Proteus-, 2021-05-13, 20:51  like dislike  Spam?  193.81.116...
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/an_1

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Before all normal vowels or diphthongs an is obligatory {an actor, an eagle, an illness, an Old Master, an uncle).  
Before a syllable beginning in its written form with a vowel but pronounced with a consonantal sound, a is used (a eulogy, a unit, a use; a one, a once-only).
Before all consonants except silent h, a is customary: a book, a history, a home, a household name, a memorial service, a puddle, a young man; but, with silent h, an hour, an honour.
https://www.academia.edu/38672864/The_New_Fowlers_Modern_English_Us...
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von Proteus-, 2021-05-13, 21:12  like +1 dislike  Spam?  193.81.116...
Opinion is divided over the form to use before h-words in which the first syllable is unstressed: the thoroughly modern thing to do is to use a (never an) together with an aspirated h (a habitual, a heroic, a historical, a Homeric, a hypothesis), but not to demur if others use an with minimal or nil aspiration given to the following h (an historic / an (h)is'tɒnk/, an horrific /an (h)ɒ'nfik/, etc.).
Three special cases: an hotel (with no aspiration in the second word) is now old-fashioned (E. Waugh and
1930s), but by no means extinct (Encounter, 1987; A. Brink, 1988); in humble, the h was originally mute and the pronunciation /'ʌmb(ə)l/ prevailed until the 19c. but is now obsolete: it should therefore be preceded by a, not an; AmE herb, being pronounced with silent h, is always preceded by an, but the same word in BrE, being pronounced with an aspirated h, by a.
At the present time, especially in written English, there is abundant evidence for the use of an before habitual, historian, historic(al), horrific, and horrendous, but the choice of form remains open.
https://www.academia.edu/38672864/The_New_Fowlers_Modern_English_Us...
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14:12 By this token, an huge would never do for whatever English speaker  #928593
von Proteus-, 2021-05-13, 21:19  like dislike  Spam?  193.81.116...
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21:12 ... +in humble, the h was originally mute and the pronunciation /'ʌmb(ə)l/ prevailed until the 19c.  +  #928594
von Proteus-, 2021-05-13, 22:16  like +1 dislike  Spam?  193.81.116...
Here's the connection to humble pie :
[17] Until the 19th century, humble pie was simply a pie made from the internal organs of a deer or other animal (‘Mrs Turner did bring us an umble pie hot out of her oven’, Samuel Pepys, Diary 8 July 1663). Humble has no etymological connection with the adjective humble ‘meek’; it is an alteration of the now extinct numbles ‘offal’ [14] (which came ultimately from Latin lumulus, a diminutive of lumbus ‘loin’, from which English gets loin and lumbar ). Numbles became umbles (perhaps from misanalysis of a numble as an umble in contexts such as numble pie ), and from there it was a short step to humble; but the expression eat humble pie is not recorded in the sense ‘be humiliated’ until the 1830s. It combines the notion of ‘food fit only for those of lowly status’ with a fortuitous resemblance to the adjective humble. => LOIN, LUMBAR               https://word_origins.en-academic.com/3424/humble_pie

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