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English-German Translation of
To whom all these

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Frage:
To whom all these presents shall come greeting  
von Njish (UN), 2021-09-16, 14:16  like dislike  Spam?  
Diese Frage wurde vor ein paar Jahren gestellt und beantwortet, aber leider ist der Eintrag gelöscht worden oder verschwunden worden.
Habe vergeblich versucht das ins Deutsche zu übersetzen, aber es geht nicht.Wer kann helfen?
Antwort: 
Komma vor "greeting".  #930865
von Wett, 2021-09-16, 15:09  like dislike  Spam?  79.182.173...
A bombastic address by British monarchs.
Grüße an diejenigen, denen all diese Geschenke zuteil werden.
Grüße an alle, denen diese Geschenke zuteil werden.
Hier gibt es jede Menge Experten, die sich zweifellos etwas Besseres einfallen lassen würden.
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Legal phrase.  #930866
von MichaelK (US), Last modified: 2021-09-16, 15:33  like dislike  Spam?  
To whom all these presents shall come, greeting! is a legal salutation meaning "to whom it may concern." A more literal (but entirely unusable!) translation would be An den, der diese Dokumente erhält: Guten Tag!

Side note: When there was still conscription in the US, the dreaded letter from the President of the United States of America used "Greeting:" as the salutation, to wit:

The President of the United States
TO: Michael xxxx
Greeting:
You are hereby ordered for induction into the Armed Forces of the United States, and to report at...
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Not legal phrase.  “presents” not Geschenke  #930867
von Zuchi1, 2021-09-16, 17:37  like dislike  Spam?  62.216.20...
Not legal phrase.  “presents” not Geschenke

It is a greeting to persons who are there (alle Anwesenden), in front of the person making the announcement.

The announcement is reproduced verbatim in a document.   Or in reverse, prepared beforehand to be read out later in front of a crowd.  Eg: announcing an election result.

In loose modern casual re-phrasing: All those here hello to you.

Also different from "to whom it may concern."  This phrase is used when writing to an unspecified recipient.
Antwort: 
No.  #930868
von MichaelK (US), 2021-09-16, 18:16  like dislike  Spam?  
The "all these presents" means "all what is presented in these documents."
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von Zuchi1, 2021-09-16, 20:53  like dislike  Spam?  62.216.20...
 #930869
Abraham Lincoln appointing Charles Howe as Collector of Customs (tax).
https://www.loc.gov/resource/lprbscsm.scsm0915/

Andrew Jackson, seventh President of the United States of America, announcing his ratification of a treaty that forced the Choctaw nation of Indians to cede land.
https://www.loc.gov/resource/rbpe.23000400/?sp=1
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von MichaelK (US), Last modified: 2021-09-16, 21:46  like dislike  Spam?  
 #930870
Thanks, Zuchi1, good finds. The removal of the Choctaws from Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Louisiana to what is now Oklahoma is a sad story indeed.
Wikipedia(EN): Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
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To whom all these presents shall come, greeting: these presents > this document \\\ presents not Anwesende !!!  #930871
von Proteus-, 2021-09-16, 23:29  like dislike  Spam?  193.81.115....
these presents Law / formal > This document.
   ‘the premises outlined in red on the Plan annexed to these presents’
   ‘Should there be any conflict between these presents and the Contract Documents these presents shall prevail.’
   ‘The Trustee may determine all questions and doubts arising in relation to any of the provisions of these presents and the Security Documents.’
   ‘All moneys received by the Trustee under these presents and/or under the Security Documents shall be held by the Trustee upon trust to apply them.’

https://www.lexico.com/definition/present
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Furthermore  #930872
von Proteus-, 2021-09-17, 00:08  like dislike  Spam?  193.81.115....
What is PRESENTS?
The present instrument. The phrase “these presents” is used in any legal document to designate the 'instrument’ in which the phrase itself occurs. The Law Dictionary https://thelawdictionary.org/presents/

https://iate.europa.eu/search/result/1631829860150/1

https://books.google.at/books?id=juqOEx28NXQC&pg=PA1282&dq=... > p. 1282
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Übrigens seit 2006 wiederholt ein Thema im Forum  #930873
von Proteus-, 2021-09-17, 00:26  like dislike  Spam?  193.81.115....
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von Njish (UN), 2021-09-17, 10:37  like dislike  Spam?  
 #930877
Bedanke mich recht herzlichst wegen des anregenden Feedbacks.
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C13: from Latin praesens, from praeesse to be in front of  #930878
von Zuchi1, 2021-09-17, 11:04  like dislike  Spam?  62.216.202....
present
Word origin
C13: from Latin praesens, from praeesse to be in front of, from prae- before, in front + esse to be

1. a.  in attendance

make known, public announcement
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In answer to Proteus  #930880
von Zuchi1, 2021-09-17, 11:34  like dislike  Spam?  62.216.202....
In answer to Proteus
If you want to learn more, read original documents.  They are available from the English
National Archives, in Kew, London.  Also archives in the US.

No point flagging up later sources.  People just copied the phrase.
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> Zuchi1, 17-09-2021, 11:04 — Why fall back on Latin when you have not the first clue about it?  #930908
von Proteus-, 2021-09-18, 14:19  like dislike  Spam?  194.118.48....
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In Latin, praesens, praesentis assumed quite a life of its own with regard to praesum, praeesse

https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999...
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> Zuchi1, 17-09-2021, 11:34 — Sad to say, Zuchi1, your interpretation of the sources you cited is evidently and eminently wrong  #930909
von Proteus-, 2021-09-18, 14:41  like dislike  Spam?  194.118.48....
A dictionary published prior to the sources you referred to has this:
present, n.s.
2. A letter or mandate exhibited.
Be it known to all men by these presents.
Shakesp.  \\\ Samuel Johnson’s Dictionary
https://johnsonsdictionaryonline.com/views/search.php?term=present

In the legal sphere, there is hardly a lexicon more authoritative than Black's Law Dictionary :
https://thelawdictionary.org/presents/

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